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Re: AE300 Cost

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Anyone know anything about overhaul exchange engines available? I thought all engines would be a new replacement but my shop sent over a rough estimate stating the engine is an OH exchange
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Re: AE300 Cost

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This is unexpected. If your shop is a Diamond Authorized Service Center (DASC), it's possible they know of a unique situation. If not, they may be making an assumption (based on their non-Austro experience) or working from outdated information. There isn't much commitment or accountability with a rough estimate. Consider asking for a firm quote so they do the necessary homework.
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Re: AE300 Cost

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Following up on this. No option indeed for an OH exchange. Safe bet is to allocate 150k in todays prices for two engines including extra parts, labor, and tax.

Here's the breakdown for our 42-VI: 59k for the engine, around $1500 in parts (big ones being new engine mounts), and quote for $7100 in labor

Another shop quoted $2500 in labor and $800 in parts that reuse some of the originals (engine mounts and hoses), so there is definitely a way to do it for less.

We had an engine let go and the AOG job amounted to 92k to get the engine replaced 1.5 hours away from the shop. Came in around 22k more than it would have been at the shop. No loaner engines available. Had to rent a hangar for 3 months to wait for the replacement engine to come in (thankfully we got to jump the line).

Painful experience
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Re: AE300 Cost

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Ouch!
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Re: AE300 Cost

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Owe. That is much more expensive than last I looked for Lycoming/CMI for roughly the same power level.

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Re: AE300 Cost

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neema wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:37 am Following up on this. No option indeed for an OH exchange. Safe bet is to allocate 150k in todays prices for two engines including extra parts, labor, and tax.

Here's the breakdown for our 42-VI: 59k for the engine, around $1500 in parts (big ones being new engine mounts), and quote for $7100 in labor

Another shop quoted $2500 in labor and $800 in parts that reuse some of the originals (engine mounts and hoses), so there is definitely a way to do it for less.

We had an engine let go and the AOG job amounted to 92k to get the engine replaced 1.5 hours away from the shop. Came in around 22k more than it would have been at the shop. No loaner engines available. Had to rent a hangar for 3 months to wait for the replacement engine to come in (thankfully we got to jump the line).

Painful experience
Sorry you had to go through this but thanks for posting the details. These costs are good to be aware of and plan for (If pretty painful)!

Is there anything you can share about the reasons for the engine "letting go?"

Thanks!
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Re: AE300 Cost

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Well, if they don't want to do the OH themselves, they could license 3rd party shops to do them. Shops will pay a pretty penny to the OEM for the right to overhaul their engines.
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Re: AE300 Cost

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It’s much more complicated than Lycoming overhaul and requires expensive test bench. If Austro concluded that it’s cheaper to produce new engine than to overhaul the old one then the same mathematics applies to any company.
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Re: AE300 Cost

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ememic99 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:48 pm It’s much more complicated than Lycoming overhaul and requires expensive test bench. If Austro concluded that it’s cheaper to produce new engine than to overhaul the old one then the same mathematics applies to any company.
I have read of tours at CMI, and the CMI throws out almost everything except the camshaft and the case. Cheaper to melt everything else down and use new parts.

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Re: AE300 Cost

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ememic99 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:48 pm It’s much more complicated than Lycoming overhaul and requires expensive test bench. If Austro concluded that it’s cheaper to produce new engine than to overhaul the old one then the same mathematics applies to any company.
Mike Miller and I spoke with Glenn about this when we were at SouthTec on Tuesday. Glenn said the issue is with EASA who would not allow the same facility that manufactures engines to overhaul the same engines. Seems a bit silly given that's what Lycoming does, but I guess that's the issue. So Austro could certainly license someone in the US to perform the overhaul, but I'm not sure that'd be lucrative enough to get over the start up cost.
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