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Curious if anybody knows the pricing and delivery wait for a new XLT ? Thanks
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Re: new XLT

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Last time I asked which was about two months ago, the answer was about a year and about $30k less than the diesel.
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Re: new XLT

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With an XLT $30K less than an Austro powered NG and the Austro now a TBR engine (that apparently costs $55K plus labor), I'm curious where the benefit(s) is/are of the much heavier, much more expensive Austro.

Yes, I know the Austro is smooth running, fuel efficient and easy to start, but given all the problems with the Austro and the much higher costs of purchase and replacement, why would anyone want an DA40NG now? The Lycoming can be overhauled and (despite what some have posted on DAN) - is much more reliable than the Austro.
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Re: new XLT

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I'm pretty sure that subject has been litigated in many other threads.
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Re: new XLT

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Boatguy wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:31 am I'm pretty sure that subject has been litigated in many other threads.
Yet the Austro fan club is still alive and well...
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Re: new XLT

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Ok, I'll bite. I've flown a fair bit behind both of these engines, and if I were buying a DA40 again it would boil down to this:
  • Lycoming will give you the lowest Total Cost of Ownership by a significant amount
  • Austro will give you more power at altitude and longer range
The Austro is indeed smoother running, easier to start, more modern, etc, but those don't matter that much to me (except in the twin where two levers are much nicer than six). I've flown across the Rockies behind the IO-360 multiple times with mountain waves in hot weather and it was no fun at all. Since I live in an area where mountain flying is pretty common, I would choose the NG and eat the extra cost. If I lived back east, I would save my money and buy the Lycoming version.
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Re: new XLT

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Also in the NG's favor are longer maintenance intervals and the fact that jet A is widely available, costs less and has a very certain future.

Just my opinion but I think for brand new pilots, the IO-360 version may be just a touch more forgiving as well.
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Re: new XLT

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2022 price list is attached. In January they were quoting delivery in November.
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Re: new XLT

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Adding in some random stuff here.

The Lycoming is certainly inexpensive to drive around even with the extra cost of gas. I just did a spreadsheet of my annuals and they average $2,468 for the last five years. Put another way, I have virtually no expenses relating to the engine itself, though other things (batteries, tires, etc.) sometimes eat a lunch or two.

I corresponded with GAMI yesterday and today and they assure me that G100UL should be available this year once the paperwork is completed; they say that there are no technical issues.

Finally, I live in the very mountainous west and am willing to fly a few minutes out of the way and/or at different times to avoid mountain waves. They can outperform almost anything shy of an F15.

Note that when flying gliders I like flying in mountain waves, but that's a different story. They call them free gas.
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Re: new XLT

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Seamech Air Conditioner (vs RACC II) something new?
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