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Boost Pump alternative to Dukes

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I just ordered the Weldon 18002-B from Aircraft Spruce. $791.00 plus tax and shipping. They don't show the part number on their site but I emailed them for a quote and this is the price. Drop shipped directly to me.

This is an alternative part for the Dukes pump that seems to have a high failure rate.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an ... %2018002-b

http://www.mooregoodink.com/news/weldon ... na-owners/

Cleveland, Ohio: Adding to their 65-plus years of successful pump designs, Weldon Pump has just announced a new, electric continuous-duty boost/emergency fuel pump created initially for Cessna applications (See accompanying file for particulars).
A direct replacement for the ubiquitous Dukes intermittent-duty pump, this new Weldon 18000 provides reliable boost support to the aircraft’s main mechanical pump. Alternatively, it can be used as a fuel emergency pump.

Metallic internals: Because it is equipped with all-metallic internal pumping components, notably tool steel blades instead of Nyltralon plastic blades, you will always reach the nearest airport in safety should your mechanical pump fail. Metal blades are superior to Nyltralon blades because they don’t fracture or deteriorate with heat and contaminate downstream components. Furthermore, they self-compensate for wear, thus maintaining their priming and flowing properties.
Pumping capacity and amperage draw: During independent tests measuring pumping capacity and amperage draw, Weldon’s new 18000 innovation easily captured the initiative, generating a minimum of 14.5 Inches Hg Vacuum compared with the 5.5 Inches HG Vacuum of the OEM brand. This impressive pumping power ensures the unit is self-priming, aids vapor clearing, and can be mounted above the fuel source without concern. In an amperage draw comparison, the Weldon recorded .81 amps @ 23 psig operating pressure and 50GPH compared to its rival’s 2.3 amps @ 23 psig operating pressure and 45GPH. The advantage of using fewer amps means that more current is available to power other components/avionics. Further, with its improved efficiencies, the 18000 generates less heat, resulting in cooler fuel.
Voltage ratings, shaft, and seals: Available in two voltage ratings, the 18000-A (14 volts) and the 18000-B (28 volts), these new pumps feature a single solid shaft, double shaft seals to prevent leaks, and a square-drive rotor interface. These improvements, particularly the one-piece solid shaft over conventional multiple small diameter pieces, means the pump is less prone to premature failure and the shaft will not fracture from contamination.

Bypass pressure drop: By reducing the pump’s internal restrictions and, therefore, decreasing the pressure drop across the bypass valve, the 18000 bypasses fuel easier. This feature reduces fuel temperatures, minimizes vapor locks, and improves fuel system performance at higher altitudes. The pressure drop across the Weldon bypass was measured at 0.1842 PSI compared with 0.2702 PSI of its rival.



Currently, additional configurations are being tested on various aircraft, and a two-speed model will be announced later in 2009.


For further information contact:
Weldon Pump
640 Golden Oak Parkway,
Oakwood Village, Ohio 44146
Telephone (440) 232-2282 or visit http://www.weldonpumps.com
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Re: Boost Pump alternative to Dukes

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Lance, I checked on Aircraft Spruce Europe. The pump is available, priced at 921,76€ VAT included, versus 1456,84€ for the DUKES ordered at Diamond's. But, part Nr advertised on Aircraft Spruce Web Site, is 18000-B which, according to my A&P, doesn't match the FAA certificate which specifies 18002-B.
So I will mail Aircraft Spruce Europe to query for the 18002-B availability.
If I can manage the pump switch, this forum will have helped me save 500€ !
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Jean
I will order one spare Weldon pump as well, I sent a mail to Aircraft Spruce Europe Yesterday,
They do not carry the 18002-B version and they sent a enquery to the States. No reply yet.
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Re: Boost Pump alternative to Dukes

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Here is some words on this topic direct from Diamond I received today.

FROM DIAMOND CUSTOMER SUPPORT:
Weldon has successfully obtained PMA for the installation of their pump as a direct replacement for the Dukes 5100-00-09(19) series of electric fuel pumps on DA40 & DA42 aircraft. A copy is attached.

Diamond has been supplying the Weldon pump to customers in the field for some time now, as long as they can install a PMA’d part under their flight regulations. In parallel, they have received final approval of this pump p/n on the DA40-180 aircraft, on MAM40-597 as of today. With this, you will start to see the Weldon pumps installed on factory new aircraft. In the future, Diamond may consider approving this pump on the DA42 aircraft as well, however this will be a lower priority as the current installation does not have the same history of issues, and the PMA allows for installation of the pump in the field.

Diamond will continue to work with Dukes, and support the Dukes installation, however we are hopeful that the Weldon pump will provide a longer service life, and subsequently represent a significant product improvement, especially when looking at the history of reported concerns regarding the DA40-180 installation.


Weldon Pump PMA info follows
Supplement Number:
21
Supplement Date:
07/05/2011
This approval issued to:
Weldon Pump
PMA Holder Number:
PQ2411CE
PMA Holder's Address:
PO Box 46479, 640 Golden Oak
Parkway
Oakwood Village OH 44146
United States
Part Name:
Fuel Pump
Part Number:
18002-B
Replacement For:
Diamond Aircraft P/N
5100-00-9
Make/Model:
Diamond Aircraft (DA40 S/N 40.006 thru Current, DA40-F S/N 40.FC001 thru
Current, DA42 S/N 42.007 thru Current & 42.AC001 thru Current, DA42-M S/N
42.M001 thru Current.)
FAA Approval Basis:
Test & Computations per 14 CFR § 21.303 DWG No 18002-B Rev IR Date
Feb/09/2009 or later FAA-approved revisions
Responsible Office:
Cleveland OH FAA Office Tel: (440) 686-2800
Jeff Owen
Diamond Aircraft Specialist
Premier Aircraft Sales, Inc.
Fort Lauderdale, FL
954-771-0411
jeff.owen@flypas.com
http://www.flypas.com
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Thank you Zsolt and Jeff.
I'll monitor this thread.
My wish is to to have N446DC airworthy ASAP !
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I had to email Aircraft Spruce. They will reply to you in a day or two. Or you can call them directly. In the US. I dealt with Anthony Garcia. +1-951-372-9555. anthonygarcia@aircraftspruce.com
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Now the conundrum for me. I replaced 2 of these things, at roughly 400 hours each. My 3rd one is definitely better, and I have a spare Dukes waiting in the wings.

So then, do I preemptively replace the working Dukes with the Weldon, or wait until it fails? If not, when (I'm not going to use "if" here) the current Dukes fails I could put the spare Dukes in and get the Weldon as a replacement. Do I then pull the replacement Dukes and put in the new Weldon (probably - this way the operating pump would be under warranty)? Then the spare Dukes becomes a spare once more.

If I make the assumption that this Weldon model would be considerably more reliable than the Dukes, it would seem immediate replacement is the way to go, to minimize the need to carry a spare pump around in the event of a far-from-home failure. But I don't know just how good an assumption that is.
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Rich, if you replace your Dukes with the Weldon. The Weldon is guaranteed to fail in under 50 hrs. and probably far away from home with no mechanics to be found for hundreds of miles.
By the way, I have almost 700 tach hrs. on my Duke and always carry a spare pump with me along with inner tube spares.
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The pump doesn't weigh all that much. I am considering just throwing it into the baggage compartment in case of future failure.
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Could not buy the Weldon 18002-B from Aircraft Spruce Europe (no response). So, i had to go with Dukes pump ordered by my A&P at Diamond's (1200€ +21% VAT + Shipping. :thumbsd: Ouch).
The pump is there and I flew N446DC yesterday to the shop for its annual.
Should be ready next week.
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