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How about this for an accident cause?

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Aug. 11, 2020

AIRCRAFT WHILE ENROUTE A CHILD PASSENGER PULLED ON THE YOKE INJURING THE PILOT AND PASSENGER, CHICAGO, IL. :oops:
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Re: How about this for an accident cause?

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Young kids can be a risk...unpredictable.
Link to NTSB Report?
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Re: How about this for an accident cause?

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Wsa that in a 737MAX?
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Re: How about this for an accident cause?

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So much for a sterile cockpit.
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Re: How about this for an accident cause?

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No NTSB report yet.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/239899
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/search?q=N678EC

Things we are unlikely to find out: 1) how old was the child (to be sitting in the right seat), and 2) what was the content of the preflight briefing.

Now let's talk about Teslas.
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Re: How about this for an accident cause?

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chili4way wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:52 pm No NTSB report yet.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/239899
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/search?q=N678EC

Things we are unlikely to find out: 1) how old was the child (to be sitting in the right seat), and 2) what was the content of the preflight briefing.
Don't know the age of the child but here is a little more of the story:

The pilot was taking his wife and daughter to Chicago from Louisville on an IFR flight plan. Daughter in front and wife in the back. Daughter tried to slide front seat back. Seat slid all the way back abruptly. She grabbed co-pilot yoke in reaction. Airplane climbed abruptly. Pilot tried to recover [over-recovered?] and hit his head on ceiling during the negative G maneuver and scalped his head. His wife did not have her seatbelt on in the rear and she hit her head twice, sustaining a fractured neck. Pilot was in shock and woozy. He declared an emergency with Chicago center and landed at Palwaukee. FAA is calling it an accident due to the injuries. Wife is going to be ok hopefully but 6 months in neck brace. Pilot has staples in his head.
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Re: How about this for an accident cause?

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I suppose one benefit of the fixed seat positions in Diamond aircraft is that this specific situation cannot happen.
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Re: How about this for an accident cause?

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Boatguy wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:35 am So much for a sterile cockpit.
Stuff happens...
When I fly as safety pilot for my friend, I talk a lot to him, he tries to tell me "sterile cockpit". The reality is that unless you are flying solo, passengers will inadvertently always try to distract you at the most inopportune times, no matter how much you brief them. The stick gets knocked as R seat passenger turns around to look at vomiting child on short final, the flap switch gets knocked when R seat passenger puts down iPad, hard IMC near minimums the kid always seems to yell "ooh dad, look at the rainbow! look, look, look!" And, no, I don't want to put the other folks on mute in case they happen to be yelling "ooh dad, look at the plane coming right at us." I try to keep things sterile, but they rarely are. Instead, I try and tune out the irrelevant, and become decent at recognizing what it feels like when a passenger hits the stick or flap switch on accident.
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Re: How about this for an accident cause?

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When I fly with a safety pilot I will intentionally engage in conversation with him on all sorts of subjects. We'll discuss the ins and outs of what we're doing, as well as on vaguely related topics.

But the seat latch deal is no joke. Cessna singles with the original seat rails are subject to wear over time. 182's in particular, with their large seat travel, have had several fatal stall-spins caused by this wear which caused the pilot seat, in a climb, to let go and slide all the way to the rear stop.
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