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Re: New Cirrus Trainer

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Oh, I forgot about variable pitch. But I'm pretty sure that I read last year that they were allowing checkrides with a simulated landing gear switch.
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Re: New Cirrus Trainer

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ememic99 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Colin wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:30 pm You can make fun of the landing gear switch, but it teaches a flow for the landing and allows them to take a Commercial ticket checkride, and they will probably move on to a complex twin from there.
No they can't - retractable gear and variable prop pitch is required.
No longer. For ASEL/S TAA may be substituted for complex. This is a relatively recent change due the scarcity of said complex aircraft these days. No retractable gear required, real or pretend. Cirri already meet the requirements for TAA without such a doodad.

When I took my CFI PT I had to demonstrate emergency gear extension. No fun in a C-210. I don't recall needing to do that for Commercial, but it was 46 years ago.
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ememic99 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Colin wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:30 pm You can make fun of the landing gear switch, but it teaches a flow for the landing and allows them to take a Commercial ticket checkride, and they will probably move on to a complex twin from there.
No they can't - retractable gear and variable prop pitch is required.
Not true.. the FAA has dropped the requirement for the traditional complex aircraft and the training and the check ride can now be done in the new definition of a “complex” aircraft, which is now called a “TAA”. Technically advanced aircraft. It must have a PFD, MFD, and a two axis autopilot..
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Re: New Cirrus Trainer

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Colin wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:30 pm You can make fun of the landing gear switch, but it teaches a flow for the landing ...
I have long wanted one of these in my planes. As long as it squeals if I try to land with the "gear" up, such a switch would indeed help my flow. I have had a retractable endorsement for over 20 years, but probably logged only about 10 hours of retract time. I have a real fear of lending wheels-up the next time I happen to be in a retractable gear plane.

Granted, it won't remind me to raise the gear on takeoff, but that's not nearly as interesting a failure mode as forgetting to lower them at the other end of the flight. And, for a $20 piece of equipment (sorry, it's in an aeroplane, $500 piece of equipment) it seems like cheap insurance to me.
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Emir, retractable gear is no longer required. I can do the commercial ticket in my DA40 now.
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Re: New Cirrus Trainer

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Obviously it’s different in US than in EASA-land.
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Re: New Cirrus Trainer

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ememic99 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Colin wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:30 pm You can make fun of the landing gear switch, but it teaches a flow for the landing and allows them to take a Commercial ticket checkride, and they will probably move on to a complex twin from there.
No they can't - retractable gear and variable prop pitch is required.
Not anymore.
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Re: New Cirrus Trainer

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TimS wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:15 pm
ememic99 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Colin wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:30 pm You can make fun of the landing gear switch, but it teaches a flow for the landing and allows them to take a Commercial ticket checkride, and they will probably move on to a complex twin from there.
No they can't - retractable gear and variable prop pitch is required.
Not anymore.
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... ight-tests

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ememic99 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:56 pm I like landing gear knob that does nothing :) That will definitely not promote safety because the pilot doesn't have any feedback on lifting/extending gear except three greens, no IAS/ROC climb increase when lifting up, no positive feedback in decreasing IAS with same engine setting when lowering, no change in pitch to maintain approach speed… only one useless switch added to checklist.
This system frightened the life out of me on a Beechcraft one day. I was tasked to taxi the aircraft a short distance from parking to maintenance. I did a brief walk around, checked the oil, jumped in and started it up. It was about then that I noticed the gear lever in the up position and the light was red. My brain immediately panicked, moving the lever to down and shutting down the engine. A few seconds later my brain caught up with, Hang on isn't it fixed gear? A quick look under the wing confirmed it was fixed gear and the switch just changes the colour of the lights. :shock: :scream:
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Re: New Cirrus Trainer

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ememic99 wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:26 pm Surprisingly there’s some flying outside FAA jurisdiction :)
Yes, and almost no country in the world has the US Commercial ticket requirements. So the point is moot.

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