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Cirrus Jet reviewed...

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...oh my God. How embarrassing (from Flying Magazine):
I thought we were climbing quite nicely, but it didn’t take long before New York Departure lost patience with our progress. It was bad enough that the controller had to ask what a Cirrus Vision was; once Matt explained that we couldn’t climb at a faster airspeed we were instructed to level at 6,000 feet and stay there to accommodate crossing arrivals into Newark Airport.
I think I would have pulled the chute AND jumped off the darn thing!
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That kills me. But I think they really created a plane for people that still want an SR22, but wish they could say they flew a jet.

For all the numbers, costs and so on it feels like a PC-12 is a much better choice. The only difference seems to be the slightly higher acquisition cost (and, I imagine, some related insurance costs). But a partnered PC-12 would have all the same ramp fees, fuel burn, maintenance costs, and be a lot more comfortable, haul more stuff, have more shops that understood it, and so on.
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I just looked at the performance specs on the Cirrus website. For rate of climb, it says "not yet published." I guess it's published now :)
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I think the rate of climb is *really* dependent on the loading. Fill it with fuel, people and luggage and you will climb like an SR22 on a hot day. That's fine, there's no climb rate you can't plan for and fly, but it sure doesn't feel like a jet.

I've read a little about the Learjet 45, which climbed at 8,000fpm. The meter didn't show that, it just pegged up. That would be exciting. Also apparently a little challenging to land, which Cirrus really didn't want in their jet.
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The positioning is really to create a new aircraft category generating its own demand.
> I want to be a jet pilot
> I want more room than in my SR22
> I want a lot of "feel good" luxury
> My wife wants the parachute

At this price point which is basically double the SR22T and half a TBM910, the Cirrus Jet is cleverly positioned.
In the new aircraft market I can only see the Piper PA46T and the Eclipse 550.
The Eclipse would be the best on paper but it is a twin, has no parachute and the future of the supplier is not certain.
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My wife wants a Pilatus, I want a TBM, in reality I will take anything that fits with my pocketbook :)

In 4 more months I should get my DA42 "sold" and then I can think about getting another plane. My only requirement (in a single or twin) is de-ice capability (that leave's out Antoine's DA40).
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Your wife can tell the difference between the PIlatus and the TBM?

I am starting to think: smaller house, bigger plane.
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Colin wrote: I am starting to think: smaller house, bigger plane.
That sounds good to me, I am just not sure I can get her to agree.
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Oh come on Cary. Bulthaup make fantastic kitchens for private aircraft. Add a full size mirror and the latest generation hair dryer and voilà!
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Antoine wrote:The positioning is really to create a new aircraft category generating its own demand.
> I want to be a jet pilot
> I want more room than in my SR22
> I want a lot of "feel good" luxury
> My wife wants the parachute

At this price point which is basically double the SR22T and half a TBM910, the Cirrus Jet is cleverly positioned.
In the new aircraft market I can only see the Piper PA46T and the Eclipse 550.
The Eclipse would be the best on paper but it is a twin, has no parachute and the future of the supplier is not certain.
I think you hit the nail on the head WRT how this is positioned. If Cirrus can continue to deliver at 0.5x TBM pricing, then they have a product that will sell. What I'm skeptical of is their ability to deliver at the $2MM. My understanding of the D-Jet abandonment includes a cost creep deep into the $2 millions. It's not stuff that economies of scale necessarily helped with, either. It was component costs and time required to ramp up to sufficient cumulative volumes to earn back certification costs. Remember - the first couple dozen were sold at very low prices, and they would consume at least the first year of production.

I wish Cirrus the best in creating this new market niche as it benefits all of GA to expand the field.
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