Finally the Launch??
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:48 pm
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Or expedite getting the Garmin Autoland on their planes. I would assume this can be turned to strong marketing message. To my understanding Diamond's comparable fatality numbers are lower than Cirrus' even thou it has the chute.AndrewM wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:59 pm Looks sensational, however seems they do not have a 'chute, even as an option. I think that was a huge mistake. I know many on this forum will disagree with me on this but from a commercial standpoint Cirrus sells gazzilions of SRxx due to the chute. Diamond could have really taken some meaningful share from them, and now they will not. What a miss.
The autoland feature requires auto-throttles.Pehu wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:33 pmOr expedite getting the Garmin Autoland on their planes. I would assume this can be turned to strong marketing message. To my understanding Diamond's comparable fatality numbers are lower than Cirrus' even thou it has the chute.AndrewM wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:59 pm Looks sensational, however seems they do not have a 'chute, even as an option. I think that was a huge mistake. I know many on this forum will disagree with me on this but from a commercial standpoint Cirrus sells gazzilions of SRxx due to the chute. Diamond could have really taken some meaningful share from them, and now they will not. What a miss.
I would really like to see this technology expedited to all diamonds. Yes, I understand autoland doesn't save you if the engine dies, but with pilot incapacitation it surely helps. Not sure it could be tuned also to bring the plane down as an emergency landing too?
I agree with Andrew... to me it seems quite foolish (und stur?) to not include an optional airframe parachute.AndrewM wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:59 pm Looks sensational, however seems they do not have a 'chute, even as an option. I think that was a huge mistake. I know many on this forum will disagree with me on this but from a commercial standpoint Cirrus sells gazzilions of SRxx due to the chute. Diamond could have really taken some meaningful share from them, and now they will not. What a miss.
While I don't care much about the lack of 'chute other than it being an impediment to higher sales volume, the points Dave made above match my first impression upon reading the webpage. Perhaps they'll come up with some improvements in a -VI version at some point, but as released it doesn't seem terribly exciting. It will be interesting to see how it's priced.CFIDave wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:31 pm 1. The performance is disappointing for a plane with retractable gear and turbocharged engine. [...] there's not enough power up high for the DA50 to reach anywhere close to 200 knots TAS.
2. [...] When the DA50 is fully optioned with air conditioning, etc. I would imagine its useful load would be much less. Perhaps when the DA50 is FAA certified, it could offer a max gross weight somewhat closer to the DA62's 2300 kg.
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Without pricing info, we can't yet determine value.
Overall, I don't see the DA50 competing very well with Cirrus, except in those parts of the world where JetA is the only readily-available fuel. The DA50 is more spacious, and likely handles better and is more fun to fly given its Diamond DNA. But it's missing an airframe parachute (proven critical for spouse acceptance), insurance rates with the retractable gear are likely to be higher, and it uses a relatively unproven engine that few shops will know how to service.